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Wikivoyage中文名稱共識討論

根據社群共識，開啟Wikivoyage中文名稱共識討論。--Angnation (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

本次投票分為兩輪，第一輪以zh:同意投票方式進行。第一輪結束後，選取得票數最高的兩個選項進入第二輪投票。第二輪投票中，每人只可選擇一個選項進行投票。

提名及第一輪投票

注意：本輪投票已經結束，請勿再編輯此段。

維基旅行

  1.  支持-烏拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持-Super Wang (talk) 10:40, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
討論

缺點：易與zh:Wikitravel（維客旅行）混淆。--維基小霸王 (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)移下來，誰寫的自己簽名認領。Liangent (talk) 12:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

維基航程

提出者：Doraencyclopedia

維基行

提出者：tntchn

  1.  支持-YulouCN (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

維基出遊

提出者：章安德魯

  1.  支持：--維基小霸王 (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持：--Tntchn (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持：--Eartheater (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

維基遊記

提出者：維基小霸王

維基導遊

提出者：維基小霸王

  1.  支持：--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持--風雨同舟 (talk) 12:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持--Park Talk 01:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持--Almsev (talk) 09:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持--Kevinhksouth (talk) 12:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持,「旅遊指南」四字最好，若簡化則「導遊」較好--Yvtou (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持--Cbcdqe (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持--Frankou (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--燃玉 (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持. 持中人 (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  15.  支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  16.  支持--B2322858 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

維基旅遊

提出者：Makecat

  1.  支持：--Tianyamm2 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持：--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持-烏拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Kuailong (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持，不錯。--J.Wong 04:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持，--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持，--Stevenliuyi (talk) 13:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Frysun (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持--風雨同舟 (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持Sinopitt (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
討論
  •  評論：恐怕「維基旅遊」也易與「維客旅行」混淆。--維基小霸王 (talk) 11:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC) 下移，避免計票時誤作支持。若確實為支持在上面再投票。Liangent (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

維基探索

提出者：Doraencyclopedia

 支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

其他可能的選項

自認為被採用可能率不高者，可加入此處，供他人參考。

維基觀光
維基通幽
維基名勝
維基隨俗
維基登高
維基遠眺
維基觀花
（表情）囧rz... --Super Wang (talk) 11:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
維基出行
維基遊樂
維基遊行
維基遊玩
維基遊覽
維基玩樂
維基遊園
維基教科書旅遊部分--維基小霸王
維基觀摩--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基遊歷？--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基度假村...Doraencyclopedia (talk) 13:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基攬勝--Tianyamm2 (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基行紀Xiaomingyan (talk) 03:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
維基旅遊指南——如果大家能夠接受長一點的名稱，這個名稱遠較「維基旅遊」精確。 -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 15:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

票數統計

名稱 票數
維基導遊 16票
維基旅遊 14票
維基旅行 5票
維基出遊 3票
維基行 1票
維基探索 1票
維基旅遊指南 1票
  • 因此維基導遊與維基旅遊進入第二輪投票。--Almsev (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

第二輪投票

注意：本輪投票已經結束，請勿再編輯此段。

第一輪投票已經持續兩周，選取得票數最高的兩個選項是維基導遊（16票）與維基旅遊（14票），遠遠超過其他選項。所以，現展開第二輪投票，每人只可選擇一個選項進行投票。--Almsev (talk) 01:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

本輪投票時間為兩周，自2012年12月1日02:00(UTC)起，至2012年12月15日02:00(UTC)止。--Angnation (talk) 02:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

維基導遊

提出者：維基小霸王

  1.  支持,清楚地體現了wy的「指南」而非「百科」的功能--Yvtou (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持，--Shibo77 05:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持，--Almsev (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持，好吧，少數服從多數，儘管我還是喜歡「維基旅行」，但是「導遊」遠比簡單的「旅遊」強得多……話說這個要是通過了，計劃頁面就要重新寫了。我的編輯啊~~~Super Wang (talk) 09:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持，「維基導遊「體現了Wikivoyage的功能。--Recyi ·talk 07:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持，--風雨同舟 (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持，下面那個易混淆wikitravels吧C933103 (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 18:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持--"導遊"好一些。Wetrace (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Frankou (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持，相比起「維基旅遊」，意思較明確。--Kevinhksouth (talk) 14:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持--燃玉 (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--YulouCN (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持--60.25.130.133 12:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  15.  支持--Yhz1221 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
  16.  支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
  17.  支持，湊個熱鬧。-惟吾無為 (talk) 06:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

維基旅遊

提出者：Makecat

  1.  支持，繼續支持本項。感覺「導遊」一詞更容易聯想到某種職業。--Tianyamm2 (talk) 13:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. --Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持，「導遊」一詞感覺很low。烏拉跨氪 (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 06:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持，同Tianyamm2的想法——Cwek (talk) 08:00, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6. --DS fax 09:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持，自己支持一下。--Makecat (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持，感覺「維基導遊」聽起來比較奇怪，「維基旅遊」正式一些。--InstantNull (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持，Asiaworldcity (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

討論

票數統計

名稱 票數
維基導遊 17票
維基旅遊 9票
  • 因此，維基導遊在投票中勝出。 --Almsev (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

編者請注意！

我是Super Wang。大家是否知道，無前綴的連接會導致無法編輯的錯誤？請參見下面的示例。

「錯誤」欄目內的內容無法編輯。請各位再次注意名字空間和前綴的重要性。--Super Wang (talk) 11:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

囧。。。孵育場不都是這樣的嘛，否則怎麼知道是哪個項目的。。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

有關維基旅行本身的內容

錯誤：

[[关于]]-->關於（無法編輯）

正確：

[[Wikivoyage:关于]]-->Wikivoyage:關於（可以編輯）

條目內容

錯誤：

[[亚洲]]-->亞洲（無法編輯）

正確：

[[亚洲]]-->亞洲（可以編輯）

自由世界旅遊指南

首頁中的口號「自由世界旅遊指南」很有歧義啊，很容易被理解為「自由世界的旅遊指南」，而不是「自由的世界旅遊指南」--Shizhao (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

 支持，我也是理解成那樣。111.248.20.139 09:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
問題是現在「自由」前後各一個「的」字是不是有點兒不通順...--Angnation (talk) 09:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
中文維基百科首頁口號：「維基百科，人人可編輯的自由百科全書」，也許可以參考一下。--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:20, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
把「世界」改為「全球」、「環球」之類的詞就不會理解錯誤了吧。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持「自由環球旅遊指南」就可省卻一個「的」--Yvtou (talk) 08:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
在「世界」後面加個「級」如何？--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
不要加那麼多「的」，自由環球旅遊指南很好。--Kuailong (talk) 06:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
「全球」好還是「環球」好？--Angnation (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
總覺得「環球」比較好。Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
我是覺得自由的環球旅遊指南比較好……--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
「環遊世界自由指南」呢？Frankou (talk) 03:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
環遊世界不過！~--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
那麼，小弟就此提出兩個提案：「自由的旅遊指南」、「自由地遨遊世界」。未知如何？--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 17:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

條目結構和章節名稱的規範

我觀察了英文wy的條目，發現條目的結構相對固定，就城市來說一般都包含understand, get in, get around, see, do, work, buy, eat, drink, sleep等章節。開始創建條目前，我認為有必要規範中文wy的結構和章節，以保證條目的一致性，也便於新手學習，儘快加入編輯。--Yvtou (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

 支持，我也希望大神把 Wikivoyage:Directory of policies and guidelines 的內容譯成中文搬過來讓大家參考。--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持，挺好的--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
這個可以再議。Super Wang (talk) 02:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
我試寫了一個條目台中，目前還不完善，或許可按照食、衣(穿着)、住、行(交通)等方向擴充。Frankou (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
贊的，可以以此作為模板討論格式規範問題--Yvtou (talk) 02:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
慢慢來 又一個坑開始了！--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
我也正在編寫香港的旅遊指南，現在只寫了引言，接下來這幾天會完成其他部分，例如歷史背景、旅客須知、景點介紹、交通指南，甚至廣東話會話。我深恐此指南不中立（有很多個人觀點），要改一大輪。我會在維基百科互助客棧那兒，盡量邀請香港維基人參與該指南的編纂工作。
除此之外，我認為中文Wikivoyage的條目格式不應該盲從英文Wikivoyage，剛才看過英文Wikivoyage的香港旅遊指南，我覺得這指南的排版不怎麼順眼。我喜歡出外旅遊（可是我平生去過的地方不多），喜歡看旅遊書，對編纂旅遊指南有自己的一套見解。我們不妨就此商談一下。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 18:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
歡迎閣下試寫一個條目供大家討論。參考英文wy主要是了解wy的定位，知道這個項目需要怎樣的條目，具體的內容可以根據中國人的旅遊習慣來確定。--Yvtou (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
香港的旅遊指南就是我試寫的條目。剛才閣下說到「中國人的旅遊習慣」，又覺得香港旅遊指南有問題了，因為考察內地人到香港旅遊的習慣，他們通常是參觀香港的旅遊名勝、到香港購物，很少會到香港郊區遠足的說。所以我想要改動一下導言的內容，之後的事慢慢談。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想不必專門考慮中國人的習慣，畢竟這是中文Wikivoyage，不是中國Wikivoyage。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想要問一下大家的意見，Wikivoyage未來是要成為獨立的旅遊條目，如同Spring Roll Conan所列舉的，擁有歷史背景等資料；或是僅簡單的帶入導言，其餘給出連結連往維基百科及維基教科書？以我寫的台中，裏面多餘的如氣候、公車列表、醫院列表，甚至夜市列表都連回維基百科。不知道大家覺得哪一種比較適當？Frankou (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我認為Wikivoyage的條目要成為獨立的旅遊指南，還應減低對維基百科的依賴。我們應該說明歷史背景、旅客須知、景點介紹、交通指南，氣候資料（方便他們編訂行程、決定衣着安排），酒店介紹，以及周邊城市的資料等等，以至於當地語言的會話指南。人們不懂的，他們自然會到維基百科找（維基百科那麼有名，哪怕沒人去哪兒蒐集更多補充資料？），自然會買書學習那種語言。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我倒覺得，Wikivoyage和維基百科以及Commons的連接應當緊密。畢竟知道WP的人更多，這就能使人們在無意中通過WP認識Wikivoyage。那個模板是我做的，我們暫時可以不討論這個問題。Super Wang (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
為了增加Wikivoyage的點擊率（我不用「維基導遊」這個不順口的名字），使更多人能夠通過維基百科、維基共享資源認識Wikivoyage，在維基百科條目、維基共享資源地方專頁加插Wikivoyage的鏈接，實不足為過，我同意這樣做。但是，我剛才說過，維基百科這麼有名，一定有人會到維基百科找資料，而且我們要分清楚Wikivoyage和維基百科的目的：Wikivoyage是旅遊指南，目的是為有計劃到某處旅遊的人提供旅遊資訊。維基百科是百科全書，它不會推薦遊客到哪個地點，它不會主動為酒店按房價分類（參考英語版）……，它包含了為本地人而設的（詳盡）資訊。我覺得我們不應該廢掉Wikivoyage的武功，我反對把Wikivoyage建設成維基百科的衛星網站：如果他沒有功能，為甚麼維基媒體基金會會容許這麼樣的網站上線。--春卷柯南夫子 ( 茶寮 | 土木記 ) 15:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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