維基導遊:互助客棧/存檔/2012年10月至12月

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注意:本頁面是存檔,請勿編輯此頁。



Wikivoyage中文名稱共識討論

根據社群共識,開啟Wikivoyage中文名稱共識討論。--Angnation (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

本次投票分為兩輪,第一輪以zh:同意投票方式進行。第一輪結束後,選取得票數最高的兩個選項進入第二輪投票。第二輪投票中,每人只可選擇一個選項進行投票。

提名及第一輪投票

注意:本輪投票已經結束,請勿再編輯此段。


維基旅行

  1.  支持-烏拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持-Super Wang (talk) 10:40, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
討論

缺點:易與zh:Wikitravel(維客旅行)混淆。--維基小霸王 (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)移下來,誰寫的自己簽名認領。Liangent (talk) 12:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

維基航程

提出者:Doraencyclopedia

維基行

提出者:tntchn

  1.  支持-YulouCN (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

維基出遊

提出者:章安德魯

  1.  支持:--維基小霸王 (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持:--Tntchn (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持:--Eartheater (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

維基遊記

提出者:維基小霸王

維基導遊

提出者:維基小霸王

  1.  支持:--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持--風雨同舟 (talk) 12:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持--Park Talk 01:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持--Almsev (talk) 09:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持--Kevinhksouth (talk) 12:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持,「旅遊指南」四字最好,若簡化則「導遊」較好--Yvtou (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持--Cbcdqe (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持--Frankou (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--燃玉 (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持. 持中人 (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  15.  支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  16.  支持--B2322858 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

維基旅遊

提出者:Makecat

  1.  支持:--Tianyamm2 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持:--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持-烏拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Kuailong (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持,不錯。--J.Wong 04:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持,--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持,--Stevenliuyi (talk) 13:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Frysun (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持--風雨同舟 (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持Sinopitt (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
討論
  •  評論:恐怕「維基旅遊」也易與「維客旅行」混淆。--維基小霸王 (talk) 11:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC) 下移,避免計票時誤作支持。若確實為支持在上面再投票。Liangent (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

維基探索

提出者:Doraencyclopedia

 支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

其他可能的選項

自認為被採用可能率不高者,可加入此處,供他人參考。

維基觀光
維基通幽
維基名勝
維基隨俗
維基登高
維基遠眺
維基觀花
(表情)囧rz... --Super Wang (talk) 11:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
維基出行
維基遊樂
維基遊行
維基遊玩
維基遊覽
維基玩樂
維基遊園
維基教科書旅遊部分--維基小霸王
維基觀摩--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基遊歷?--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基度假村...Doraencyclopedia (talk) 13:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基攬勝--Tianyamm2 (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
維基行紀Xiaomingyan (talk) 03:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
維基旅遊指南——如果大家能夠接受長一點的名稱,這個名稱遠較「維基旅遊」精確。 -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 15:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

票數統計

名稱 票數
維基導遊 16票
維基旅遊 14票
維基旅行 5票
維基出遊 3票
維基行 1票
維基探索 1票
維基旅遊指南 1票
  • 因此維基導遊維基旅遊進入第二輪投票。--Almsev (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

第二輪投票

注意:本輪投票已經結束,請勿再編輯此段。


第一輪投票已經持續兩周,選取得票數最高的兩個選項是維基導遊(16票)與維基旅遊(14票),遠遠超過其他選項。所以,現展開第二輪投票,每人只可選擇一個選項進行投票。--Almsev (talk) 01:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

本輪投票時間為兩周,自2012年12月1日02:00(UTC)起,至2012年12月15日02:00(UTC)止。--Angnation (talk) 02:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

維基導遊

提出者:維基小霸王

  1.  支持,清楚地體現了wy的「指南」而非「百科」的功能--Yvtou (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2.  支持,--Shibo77 05:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持,--Almsev (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持,好吧,少數服從多數,儘管我還是喜歡「維基旅行」,但是「導遊」遠比簡單的「旅遊」強得多……話說這個要是通過了,計劃頁面就要重新寫了。我的編輯啊~~~Super Wang (talk) 09:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持,「維基導遊「體現了Wikivoyage的功能。--Recyi ·talk 07:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6.  支持,--風雨同舟 (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持,下面那個易混淆wikitravels吧C933103 (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 18:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持--"導遊"好一些。Wetrace (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  10.  支持--Frankou (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  11.  支持,相比起「維基旅遊」,意思較明確。--Kevinhksouth (talk) 14:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  12.  支持--燃玉 (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  13.  支持--YulouCN (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  14.  支持--60.25.130.133 12:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  15.  支持--Yhz1221 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
  16.  支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
  17.  支持,湊個熱鬧。-惟吾無為 (talk) 06:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

維基旅遊

提出者:Makecat

  1.  支持,繼續支持本項。感覺「導遊」一詞更容易聯想到某種職業。--Tianyamm2 (talk) 13:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. --Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  3.  支持,「導遊」一詞感覺很low。烏拉跨氪 (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  4.  支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 06:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  5.  支持,同Tianyamm2的想法——Cwek (talk) 08:00, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6. --DS fax 09:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7.  支持,自己支持一下。--Makecat (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8.  支持,感覺「維基導遊」聽起來比較奇怪,「維基旅遊」正式一些。--InstantNull (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  9.  支持Asiaworldcity (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

討論

票數統計

名稱 票數
維基導遊 17票
維基旅遊 9票
  • 因此,維基導遊在投票中勝出。 --Almsev (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

編者請注意!

我是Super Wang。大家是否知道,無前綴的連接會導致無法編輯的錯誤?請參見下面的示例。

「錯誤」欄目內的內容無法編輯。請各位再次注意名字空間和前綴的重要性。--Super Wang (talk) 11:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

囧。。。孵育場不都是這樣的嘛,否則怎麼知道是哪個項目的。。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

有關維基旅行本身的內容

錯誤:

[[关于]]-->關於(無法編輯)

正確:

[[Wikivoyage:关于]]-->Wikivoyage:關於(可以編輯)

條目內容

錯誤:

[[亚洲]]-->亞洲(無法編輯)

正確:

[[亚洲]]-->亞洲(可以編輯)

自由世界旅遊指南

首頁中的口號「自由世界旅遊指南」很有歧義啊,很容易被理解為「自由世界的旅遊指南」,而不是「自由的世界旅遊指南」--Shizhao (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

 支持,我也是理解成那樣。111.248.20.139 09:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
問題是現在「自由」前後各一個「的」字是不是有點兒不通順...--Angnation (talk) 09:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
中文維基百科首頁口號:「維基百科,人人可編輯的自由百科全書」,也許可以參考一下。--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:20, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
把「世界」改為「全球」、「環球」之類的詞就不會理解錯誤了吧。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持「自由環球旅遊指南」就可省卻一個「的」--Yvtou (talk) 08:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
在「世界」後面加個「級」如何?--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
不要加那麼多「的」,自由環球旅遊指南很好。--Kuailong (talk) 06:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
「全球」好還是「環球」好?--Angnation (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
總覺得「環球」比較好。Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
我是覺得自由環球旅遊指南比較好……--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
「環遊世界自由指南」呢?Frankou (talk) 03:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
環遊世界不過!~--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
那麼,小弟就此提出兩個提案:「自由的旅遊指南」、「自由地遨遊世界」。未知如何?--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 17:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

條目結構和章節名稱的規範

我觀察了英文wy的條目,發現條目的結構相對固定,就城市來說一般都包含understand, get in, get around, see, do, work, buy, eat, drink, sleep等章節。開始創建條目前,我認為有必要規範中文wy的結構和章節,以保證條目的一致性,也便於新手學習,儘快加入編輯。--Yvtou (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

 支持,我也希望大神把 Wikivoyage:Directory of policies and guidelines 的內容譯成中文搬過來讓大家參考。--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 支持,挺好的--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
這個可以再議。Super Wang (talk) 02:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
我試寫了一個條目台中,目前還不完善,或許可按照食、衣(穿着)、住、行(交通)等方向擴充。Frankou (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
贊的,可以以此作為模板討論格式規範問題--Yvtou (talk) 02:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
慢慢來 又一個坑開始了!--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
我也正在編寫香港的旅遊指南,現在只寫了引言,接下來這幾天會完成其他部分,例如歷史背景、旅客須知、景點介紹、交通指南,甚至廣東話會話。我深恐此指南不中立(有很多個人觀點),要改一大輪。我會在維基百科互助客棧那兒,盡量邀請香港維基人參與該指南的編纂工作。
除此之外,我認為中文Wikivoyage的條目格式不應該盲從英文Wikivoyage,剛才看過英文Wikivoyage的香港旅遊指南,我覺得這指南的排版不怎麼順眼。我喜歡出外旅遊(可是我平生去過的地方不多),喜歡看旅遊書,對編纂旅遊指南有自己的一套見解。我們不妨就此商談一下。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 18:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
歡迎閣下試寫一個條目供大家討論。參考英文wy主要是了解wy的定位,知道這個項目需要怎樣的條目,具體的內容可以根據中國人的旅遊習慣來確定。--Yvtou (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
香港的旅遊指南就是我試寫的條目。剛才閣下說到「中國人的旅遊習慣」,又覺得香港旅遊指南有問題了,因為考察內地人到香港旅遊的習慣,他們通常是參觀香港的旅遊名勝、到香港購物,很少會到香港郊區遠足的說。所以我想要改動一下導言的內容,之後的事慢慢談。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想不必專門考慮中國人的習慣,畢竟這是中文Wikivoyage,不是中國Wikivoyage。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想要問一下大家的意見,Wikivoyage未來是要成為獨立的旅遊條目,如同Spring Roll Conan所列舉的,擁有歷史背景等資料;或是僅簡單的帶入導言,其餘給出連結連往維基百科及維基教科書?以我寫的台中,裏面多餘的如氣候、公車列表、醫院列表,甚至夜市列表都連回維基百科。不知道大家覺得哪一種比較適當?Frankou (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我認為Wikivoyage的條目要成為獨立的旅遊指南,還應減低對維基百科的依賴。我們應該說明歷史背景、旅客須知、景點介紹、交通指南,氣候資料(方便他們編訂行程、決定衣着安排),酒店介紹,以及周邊城市的資料等等,以至於當地語言的會話指南。人們不懂的,他們自然會到維基百科找(維基百科那麼有名,哪怕沒人去哪兒蒐集更多補充資料?),自然會買書學習那種語言。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我倒覺得,Wikivoyage和維基百科以及Commons的連接應當緊密。畢竟知道WP的人更多,這就能使人們在無意中通過WP認識Wikivoyage。那個模板是我做的,我們暫時可以不討論這個問題。Super Wang (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
為了增加Wikivoyage的點擊率(我不用「維基導遊」這個不順口的名字),使更多人能夠通過維基百科、維基共享資源認識Wikivoyage,在維基百科條目、維基共享資源地方專頁加插Wikivoyage的鏈接,實不足為過,我同意這樣做。但是,我剛才說過,維基百科這麼有名,一定有人會到維基百科找資料,而且我們要分清楚Wikivoyage和維基百科的目的:Wikivoyage是旅遊指南,目的是為有計劃到某處旅遊的人提供旅遊資訊。維基百科是百科全書,它不會推薦遊客到哪個地點,它不會主動為酒店按房價分類(參考英語版)……,它包含了為本地人而設的(詳盡)資訊。我覺得我們不應該廢掉Wikivoyage的武功,我反對把Wikivoyage建設成維基百科的衛星網站:如果他沒有功能,為甚麼維基媒體基金會會容許這麼樣的網站上線。--春卷柯南夫子 ( 茶寮 | 土木記 ) 15:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)