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Wikivoyage中文名称共识讨论

根据社群共识,开启Wikivoyage中文名称共识讨论。--Angnation (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

本次投票分为两轮,第一轮以zh:同意投票方式进行。第一轮结束后,选取得票数最高的两个选项进入第二轮投票。第二轮投票中,每人只可选择一个选项进行投票。

提名及第一轮投票

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维基旅行

  1. Symbol support vote.svg 支持-乌拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg 支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg 支持-Super Wang (talk) 10:40, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
讨论

缺点:易与zh:Wikitravel(维客旅行)混淆。--維基小霸王 (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)移下来,谁写的自己签名认领。Liangent (talk) 12:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

维基航程

提出者:Doraencyclopedia

维基行

提出者:tntchn

  1. Symbol support vote.svg 支持-YulouCN (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

維基出遊

提出者:章安德魯

  1. Symbol support vote.svg 支持:--維基小霸王 (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg 支持:--Tntchn (talk) 12:16, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg 支持:--Eartheater (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

维基游记

提出者:維基小霸王

维基导游

提出者:維基小霸王

  1. Symbol support vote.svg 支持:--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--风雨同舟 (talk) 12:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Park Talk 01:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Almsev (talk) 09:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Kevinhksouth (talk) 12:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg 支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,“旅游指南”四字最好,若简化则“导游”较好--Yvtou (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
  11. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Cbcdqe (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
  12. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Frankou (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  13. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--燃玉 (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  14. Symbol support vote.svg 支持. 持中人 (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  15. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  16. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--B2322858 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

维基旅游

提出者:Makecat

  1. Symbol support vote.svg 支持:--Tianyamm2 (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg 支持:--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg 支持-乌拉跨氪 (talk) 12:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Kuailong (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,不錯。--J.Wong 04:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,--Shizhao (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,--Stevenliuyi (talk) 13:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg 支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg 支持 Daveduv (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  10. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Frysun (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  11. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--风雨同舟 (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  12. Symbol support vote.svg 支持Sinopitt (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
  13. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--219.137.181.221 10:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  14. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
讨论
  • Symbol note.svg 评论:恐怕“维基旅游”也易与“维客旅行”混淆。--維基小霸王 (talk) 11:40, 17 November 2012 (UTC) 下移,避免计票时误作支持。若确实为支持在上面再投票。Liangent (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

维基探索

提出者:Doraencyclopedia

Symbol support vote.svg 支持 Asiaworldcity (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

其他可能的选项

自认为被采用可能率不高者,可加入此处,供他人参考。

维基观光
维基通幽
维基名胜
维基随俗
维基登高
维基远眺
维基观花
(表情)囧rz... --Super Wang (talk) 11:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
维基出行
维基游乐
维基游行
维基游玩
维基游览
维基玩乐
维基游园
维基教科书旅游部分--維基小霸王
维基觀摩--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基游历?--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 13:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基度假村...Doraencyclopedia (talk) 13:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基揽胜--Tianyamm2 (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
维基行纪Xiaomingyan (talk) 03:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
維基旅遊指南——如果大家能夠接受長一點的名稱,這個名稱遠較「維基旅遊」精確。 -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 15:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

票数统计

名称 票数
维基导游 16票
维基旅游 14票
维基旅行 5票
維基出遊 3票
维基行 1票
维基探索 1票
維基旅遊指南 1票
  • 因此维基导游维基旅游进入第二轮投票。--Almsev (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

第二轮投票

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第一轮投票已经持续两周,选取得票数最高的两个选项是维基导游(16票)与维基旅游(14票),远远超过其他选项。所以,现展开第二轮投票,每人只可选择一个选项进行投票。--Almsev (talk) 01:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

本轮投票时间为两周,自2012年12月1日02:00(UTC)起,至2012年12月15日02:00(UTC)止。--Angnation (talk) 02:44, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

维基导游

提出者:維基小霸王

  1. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,清楚地体现了wy的“指南”而非“百科”的功能--Yvtou (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,--Shibo77 05:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,--Almsev (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,好吧,少数服从多数,尽管我还是喜欢“维基旅行”,但是“导游”远比简单的“旅游”强得多……话说这个要是通过了,计划页面就要重新写了。我的编辑啊~~~Super Wang (talk) 09:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,“维基导游“体现了Wikivoyage的功能。--Recyi ·talk 07:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,--风雨同舟 (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,下面那個易混淆wikitravels吧C933103 (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Ch.Andrew (talk) 18:03, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--"導遊"好一些。Wetrace (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  10. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Frankou (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  11. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,相比起「維基旅遊」,意思較明確。--Kevinhksouth (talk) 14:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  12. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--燃玉 (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  13. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--YulouCN (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  14. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--60.25.130.133 12:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
  15. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Yhz1221 (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
  16. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Benpigchu (talk) 06:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
  17. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,凑个热闹。-惟吾无为 (talk) 06:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

维基旅游

提出者:Makecat

  1. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,继续支持本项。感觉“导游”一词更容易联想到某种职业。--Tianyamm2 (talk) 13:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. --Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  3. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,“导游”一词感觉很low。乌拉跨氪 (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  4. Symbol support vote.svg 支持--Doraencyclopedia (talk) 06:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  5. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,同Tianyamm2的想法——Cwek (talk) 08:00, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  6. --DS fax 09:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  7. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,自己支持一下。--Makecat (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
  8. Symbol support vote.svg 支持,感觉“维基导游”听起来比较奇怪,“维基旅游”正式一些。--InstantNull (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  9. Symbol support vote.svg 支持Asiaworldcity (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

讨论

票数统计

名称 票数
维基导游 17票
维基旅游 9票
  • 因此,维基导游在投票中胜出。 --Almsev (talk) 02:27, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

编者请注意!

我是Super Wang。大家是否知道,无前缀的连接会导致无法编辑的错误?请参见下面的示例。

“错误”栏目内的内容无法编辑。请各位再次注意名字空间和前缀的重要性。--Super Wang (talk) 11:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

囧。。。孵育场不都是这样的嘛,否则怎么知道是哪个项目的。。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

有关维基旅行本身的内容

错误:

[[关于]]-->关于(无法编辑)

正确:

[[Wikivoyage:关于]]-->Wikivoyage:关于(可以编辑)

条目内容

错误:

[[亚洲]]-->亚洲(无法编辑)

正确:

[[亚洲]]-->亚洲(可以编辑)

自由世界旅游指南

首页中的口号“自由世界旅游指南”很有歧义啊,很容易被理解为“自由世界的旅游指南”,而不是“自由的世界旅游指南”--Shizhao (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg 支持,我也是理解成那樣。111.248.20.139 09:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
问题是现在“自由”前后各一个“的”字是不是有点儿不通顺...--Angnation (talk) 09:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
中文維基百科首頁口號:「維基百科,人人可編輯的自由百科全書」,也許可以參考一下。--Ch.Andrew (talk) 10:20, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
把“世界”改为“全球”、“环球”之类的词就不会理解错误了吧。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg 支持“自由环球旅游指南”就可省却一个“的”--Yvtou (talk) 08:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
在“世界”后面加个“级”如何?--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
不要加那么多“的”,自由环球旅游指南很好。--Kuailong (talk) 06:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
“全球”好还是“环球”好?--Angnation (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
總覺得“环球”比較好。Doraencyclopedia (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
我是觉得自由环球旅游指南比较好……--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 02:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
「環遊世界自由指南」呢?Frankou (talk) 03:51, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
环游世界不过!~--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
那麼,小弟就此提出兩個提案:「自由的旅遊指南」、「自由地遨遊世界」。未知如何?--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 17:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

条目结构和章节名称的规范

我观察了英文wy的条目,发现条目的结构相对固定,就城市来说一般都包含understand, get in, get around, see, do, work, buy, eat, drink, sleep等章节。开始创建条目前,我认为有必要规范中文wy的结构和章节,以保证条目的一致性,也便于新手学习,尽快加入编辑。--Yvtou (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg 支持,我也希望大神把 Wikivoyage:Directory of policies and guidelines 的内容译成中文搬过来让大家参考。--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg 支持,挺好的--Wangxuan8331800 (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
这个可以再议。Super Wang (talk) 02:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
我試寫了一個條目台中,目前還不完善,或許可按照食、衣(穿著)、住、行(交通)等方向擴充。Frankou (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
赞的,可以以此作为模板讨论格式规范问题--Yvtou (talk) 02:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
慢慢来 又一个坑开始了!--Qa003qa003 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
我也正在編寫香港的旅遊指南,現在只寫了引言,接下來這幾天會完成其他部分,例如歷史背景、旅客須知、景點介紹、交通指南,甚至廣東話會話。我深恐此指南不中立(有很多個人觀點),要改一大輪。我會在維基百科互助客棧那兒,盡量邀請香港維基人參與該指南的編纂工作。
除此之外,我認為中文Wikivoyage的條目格式不應該盲從英文Wikivoyage,剛才看過英文Wikivoyage的香港旅遊指南,我覺得這指南的排版不怎麼順眼。我喜歡出外旅遊(可是我平生去過的地方不多),喜歡看旅遊書,對編纂旅遊指南有自己的一套見解。我們不妨就此商談一下。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 18:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
欢迎阁下试写一个条目供大家讨论。参考英文wy主要是了解wy的定位,知道这个项目需要怎样的条目,具体的内容可以根据中国人的旅游习惯来确定。--Yvtou (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
香港的旅遊指南就是我試寫的條目。剛才閣下說到「中国人的旅游习惯」,又覺得香港旅遊指南有問題了,因為考察內地人到香港旅遊的習慣,他們通常是參觀香港的旅遊名勝、到香港購物,很少會到香港郊區遠足的說。所以我想要改動一下導言的內容,之後的事慢慢談。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想不必专门考虑中国人的习惯,毕竟这是中文Wikivoyage,不是中国Wikivoyage。--Stevenliuyi (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
我想要問一下大家的意見,Wikivoyage未來是要成為獨立的旅遊條目,如同Spring Roll Conan所列舉的,擁有歷史背景等資料;或是僅簡單的帶入導言,其餘給出連結連往維基百科及維基教科書?以我寫的台中,裡面多餘的如氣候、公車列表、醫院列表,甚至夜市列表都連回維基百科。不知道大家覺得哪一種比較適當?Frankou (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我認為Wikivoyage的條目要成為獨立的旅遊指南,還應減低對維基百科的依賴。我們應該說明歷史背景、旅客須知、景點介紹、交通指南,氣候資料(方便他們編訂行程、決定衣著安排),酒店介紹,以及周邊城市的資料等等,以至於當地語言的會話指南。人們不懂的,他們自然會到維基百科找(維基百科那麼有名,哪怕沒人去哪兒蒐集更多補充資料?),自然會買書學習那種語言。--Spring Roll Conan ( Teahouse | Contributions ) 14:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
我倒觉得,Wikivoyage和维基百科以及Commons的连接应当紧密。毕竟知道WP的人更多,这就能使人们在无意中通过WP认识Wikivoyage。那个模板是我做的,我们暂时可以不讨论这个问题。Super Wang (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
為了增加Wikivoyage的點擊率(我不用「維基導遊」這個不順口的名字),使更多人能夠通過維基百科、維基共享資源認識Wikivoyage,在維基百科條目、維基共享資源地方專頁加插Wikivoyage的鏈接,實不足為過,我同意這樣做。但是,我剛才說過,維基百科這麼有名,一定有人會到維基百科找資料,而且我們要分清楚Wikivoyage和維基百科的目的:Wikivoyage是旅遊指南,目的是為有計劃到某處旅遊的人提供旅遊資訊。維基百科是百科全書,它不會推薦遊客到哪個地點,它不會主動為酒店按房價分類(參考英語版)……,它包含了為本地人而設的(詳盡)資訊。我覺得我們不應該廢掉Wikivoyage的武功,我反對把Wikivoyage建設成維基百科的衛星網站:如果他沒有功能,為甚麼維基媒體基金會會容許這麼樣的網站上線。--春卷柯南夫子 ( 茶寮 | 土木記 ) 15:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)